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Supercup ---> Supercup Grand Prix

Are they Grands Prix? I struggled with that for ages! lol There are probably a few other page naming problems we should try to sort out. --Mal mckee 14:11, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Well I considered them Grand Prix, but initally I followed your lead with the xxx Supercup thing. However got told to change it by a certain influential Italian type lol. Chris williamson 15:22, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, we need more information from that fella! You hold him down on that chair, and I'll plug in the spotlight!

Nice work on the redirects for the teams by the way... another of the list of jobs I had considered doing. If we keep chipping away at it like this, we'll be making good progress. :)

Edit: Although yes - some of us are indeed aware of the Italia.. Spani.. Barcelona Job that needs doing! :P

--Mal mckee 22:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Juha's VWC+Wiki archive

I don't know if you've already worked this out from the edits I made to the 2006 Supercup season page, but I actually found the archive on the Wayback Machine for the old wiki!! We could possibly use a lot of it to fill out this one. I think it was created in 2006/2007, so obviously 2007 to the present is going to be missing. The format and style we've been using here is also slightly different. On the plus side, it might be possible to get some of the functional templates working, if we can access the source for them.

I couldn't access the wiki source code for the 2006 Supercup season page, so I had to use a program called Firebug, which works for Firefox (thanks to Luke for alerting me to it a while ago), and copy the HTML code instead. After that, there's still a lot of work to be done... BUT, it's much less work than having to input all the data itself. For that, I use Find/Replace in Notepad++ (thanks again to Luke!).

Anyway, I managed to get the source for Ryan McConkey's old page and merged it with the skeleton article we already have on him. So here's a couple of Wayback Machine links for you:

• A list of categories
• the 2006 'F2VWC' season

--Mal mckee 22:13, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Good work there Mal! Just a shame that it seems to be rather patchy on what it's recorded and what it hasn't (although still better than nothing!) --Chris williamson 00:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually I just found a list of all the pages Wayback Machine has saved here --Chris williamson 00:12, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Good find. Not much there really, but not too bad - we got a couple of drivers, the 2007 SL season, a Supercup race and a couple of teams. Here's a list of the ones I managed to copy over. Oh, and one of my old helmets was there too! --Mal mckee 02:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Race results tables

I've started going through the 2011 race reports adding results tables based on the style Mal's used on the 2002 Brazilian Grand Prix page. For this I've setup an excel sheet to convert the results table from the main site into formatted wiki tables in order to save time - if anyone wants a copy of the sheet just let me know. --Chris williamson 00:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice one! Yes please! :) --Mal mckee 00:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

SC teams vs. SL teams vs. Masters etc

Before we get to adding many more of them, perhaps now is the time to come up with a way of separating the teams in categories for each competition (some teams have only ever competed in the SC or in the SL.. and not the other) and also figure out how to present the team names versus the parent companies (Contructors' names).

I had tried this with the most complex team in the GPVWC, which was Stealth. Those pages survived from the old wiki more or less intact.

As you can see - there was an umbrella organisation - Stealth International, then there was Stealth Grand Prix, which headed up the two teams: Stealth F1 (SL) and Stealth F2 (SC).

Most organisations will probably be the Constructor and one or two teams - like Synergetic Motorsports and Synergetic F1 and Synergetic F2.

So should we have the category Category:Supercup teams and also Category:Superleague teams as well as the more general category, Category:Constructors? --Mal mckee 12:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

It's not an easy one to deal with really, but I think Category:Supercup teams and also Category:Superleague teams as well as the more general category, Category:Constructors would be the way to do it too.

I'm thinking the constructors page would be just a general page (eg Nijo Racing) giving an outline of their involvement across various GPVWC series with links to the sub-teams in each series and a basic info box. Then the sub-teams pages would be effectively that organization's activities within each series (eg Nijo Racing (SL), Nijo Racing (SC), Nijo Racing (Masters).) and accompanied by the existing SL/SC team info boxes and maybe some stats. The only problem would how to deal with Umbrella organizations like Stealth International (additional category for these?). Is that pretty much what you had in mind?

The other issue would be the naming conventions. While the older series/teams fit well with the F1/F2 distinction it seems a little strange when talking about more recent series/teams where the distinction is much more SL/SC. Maybe the best way would be to adopt the former system for F1VWC related events and the latter for new-style GPVWC related events.

On a related note how do you think teams that rename or are taken over should be treated? (eg Yellowbirds/Computrac,　D.O.R/Red Archer, Williamson Dynamics/European Williamson Dynamics etc) --Chris williamson 13:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Yup - this is the kind of thing I have been thinking about. As for naming conventions, many teams who entered what is now known as the Supercup, appended "GP2" or "F2" to their names. RTT had two names... GreenVipers and GreenDragons(?) or something, to distinguish between the "F1" class and the "GP2" class. I just used Synergetic F1 and Synergetic F2.

All we need think about now, as we've got templates for the SL and SC infoboxes (and we have, or will have, a Masters infobox too), are how to distinguish between names of the constructors and names for the teams for some. I suppose for my team that'll be "Syn.. Motorsports" with "Syn.. F1" and "Syn.. F2"... as with Stealth (although they went simply by the name "Stealth GP" until 2006 or 2007.. as did others. We will basically have to retroactively rename teams I guess.

For Stealth International (and maybe Dan Prescott International too) maybe a category called "Holding Companies" or something? We should probably get Will in on this one.

As for renaming... I had planned with my own original team 'Down Racing' to just make it a redirect to the more recent name 'Ultima Racing'. A team like Will's EIRE would probably deserve a page of its own. However, as a continuation, its stats and most of the information should also be included on the Nordsjoen page. Again, maybe Will's help with some of them, as we come across them.

Finally, have you any advice for being faster in the SC at Sillystone? I'm doing pretty good times in the SL car, but I'm sucking in the SC car!! --Mal mckee 21:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)